Television interview - ABC Afternoon Briefing
GREG JENNETT, HOST: Patrick Gorman welcome back to the studio. One-on-one today, which is always nice. Now, Simon Crean is a generation or two apart from you, but he did maintain his connections with the current Labor mob. Also in a former life, you were in Kevin Rudd's office. Difficult times, I guess, could I get you to reflect on those contacts? How did you find your dealings with Simon Crean?